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>> my one more thing would be mayor bloomberg blew off the yankees to see barbra streisand but i won't because we have to go. so my one more thing america, thanks for watching. we love you so much here. see you here op monday, everybody. have a great weekend. ♪ ♪ >> bret: did president obama know libyan diplomats were begging for more security before last month's deadly attack? the vice president says no. today, the confusion, and the white house spin. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. obama administration is scrambling to deal with a statement by vice president biden in last night's debate neither he nor the president were aware american diplomats in libya requested better security.
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prior to that september 11 terror attack. chief white house correspondent ed henry tried to get to the bottom of it today at the white house. leer is how it went. >> -- here is how it went. >> as he tried to clarify for biden today, white house spokesman jay carney seemed to insulate the two out the top. >> obviously, he was referring to, he wasn't talking about the administration at large. he was speaking about himself and the president and white house. a gaffe for biden in the debate with republican paul ryan coming on the one-month anniversary of the terror attack in benghazi. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> at a rally in richmond today, republican mitt romney pfeiffered away. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he is doubling down on denial. >> state department officials express frustration for more security in libya denied. >> for me, the taliban is on the inside of the building. >> raising questions about
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whether the vice president was passing blame for the terror attack that killed four americans. >> basically, the buck stops with the state department on security. it doesn't stop at the white house? >> made for television phrasing, ed, but the fact of the matter -- >> state department. president can't deal with basically he doesn't make those assessments? >> when it comes to the number of personnel in place at consulates, and embassies and other diplomatic facilities around the world the decisions are appropriately made at the state department. >> biden pointed the finger at intelligence officials over the confusion whether anti-muslim video sparked the attack. >> that was the assessment. as the intelligence changed their view we made it clear they changed their view. >> today, two top bush officials general michael ha hayden and michael chertoff blasted away in joint statement. "it is clear that any failure was not on the part of the
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intelligence community but on the part of white house decision-makers who should have listened to and acted on available intelligence. blaming those who put the line on the line is not the leadership this country needs." despite biden's claim last night, carney was vague today, when pressed specifically about the president intelligence briefing. >> the president was not told about security problems at benghazi, the consulate that had been targeted? >> i can tell you there was no actionable intelligence that suggested there would be an attack at the benghazi facility. >> officials say that is not a hedge. no intelligence suggesting that there was going to be an attack in benghazi. they believe inside the building that the attacks from romney and surrogates are driven by politics. >> ed henry on the north lawn. thank you. >> romney and paul ryan are at this hour appearing at a rally in crucial battleground state of ohio.
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>> carl cameron is in lancaster. good evening. >> hi, bret. after the vice president debate, romney-ryan ticket is riding high with polls and pundits dubbing it a draw. >> did you get a chance to watch the debate last night? yeah. yeah. i think you might agree with me that there was one person on stage last night who was thoughtful, and respectful, steady, and poised. the kind of perp you want to turn to in a crisis. that was the next vice president of the united states paul ryan. [ applause ] >> i feel great. >> over breakfast, ryan said he was pleased by the performance and had been ready for biden's attacks. >> how do you feel? >> it's what i expected. >> biden was clearly the aggressor. >> with all due respect that's a bunch of mu lar i can. >> vice president scoffed so much at ryan the rnc pumped out a web video immediately. snap polls showed a split
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decision. 48% of debate watchers said ryan won in cnn poll to 44% biden. >> we're saying these are from your act wares -- >> who interrupted ryan so often he accused biden overcompensating for the president's losing performance last week. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> among undecided voters cbs snap poll said biden won 50 to 31. 1% called it a draw. vice president in lacrosse, wisconsin today. >> anyone who watched that debate, i don't think there is any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president we have a fundamentally different vision for america. >> when biden ridiculed romney for suggesting 47% of the people who don't pay income taxes have a government comeback, ryan had a ready-made zinger. >> with respect that quote, vice president knows sometimes words don't come out of your
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mouth the right way. >> bideryan was earnest. if not brand. the weakest moment was when he said the stimulus was wasteful spending. >> he sent me two letters saying by the way, can you send me stimulus money for companies here in state of wisconsin. we sent millions of dollars. you know why he said -- >> you did ask for stimulus? >> sure he did. >> on two occasions we advocated for constituents applying for grants. it's what we do. we did it for all constituents. >> i love that. i love that. >> romney continues to surge in battleground state polls. in florida, tampa bay times, "miami herald" poll has romney with the biggest lead in weeks. american research group poll shows romney leading narrowly in new hampshire. 50 to 46. >> the next presidential debate will be this coming tuesday on long island. then on friday, fox news learned romney plans another major policy speech. the next one on spending. trying to redouse the $16 trillion debt. so much of which he blames on
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president obama. for wasteful government spending. >> bret: okay, carl. may dip in later in the show. thank you. "facts and truth don't have much to do with each other." observer might add nowhere does that apply more than in politics. doug mckelway takes a look at the facts and the truth from the vice presidential debate. >> they are the facts. they are the facts. >> vice president biden use the word "fact" or "facts" 26 times. ryan used it once. neither man were total fidelity to the truth. one exchange, he suggested seep yours receive more benefit under obamacare than medicare. >> a senior out there, ask yourself do you have more benefits today? you do. >> the vice president's statement was false according to data from the congressional budget office. cbo says for every $500 obamacare spends on preventive services in prescription drugs it cuts the rest of medicare by $7,385.
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a cut to spending ratio of nearly 15 to 1. another question over obamacare had this clash of opinion. >> the actuary came to congress and said one out of six hospital and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. >> not that what they said. >> ryan is right, biden is wrong. >> the obama administration actuary richard foster told the house budget committee our simulations suggest 15% of the hospital providers would become unprofitable as a result of the spending cut. whether the expiration will lead to higher taxes on small business owners as ryan maintained biden said this. >> 97% of the small business in america pay less than, make less than $250,000. let me tell you who some of the other small businesses are. hedge funds that make $600,00 $600,000, $800 million a year.
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that's what they count as small business. >> according to i.r.s. data, majority of small businesses pay taxes using individual rates so for the high wage earners is in effect. hike in the small business tax rate. mostly true for ryan. not so this comment from the wisconsin congressman on iran nuclear capabilities. >> when barack obama was elected, they had enough material, nuclear material to make one bomb and now they have enough for five. >> that's false. experts believe iran has not produced enough material to produce one bomb, let alone five. the two also scuffleed over obamacare mandate that requires catholic institutions to provide insurance coverage that close abortion drugs as well as contraceptives and sterilizations. >> they're infringing upon the first freedom. freedom of religion. infringing on the catholic charities, churches, and catholic hospitals. >> no religious institution, catholic or otherwise, including catholic social service, georgetown hospital, mercy hospital, any hospital,
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none has defer contraception or pay for contraception. none has to be a vehicle to get contraception. in any insurance policy they provide. that is a fact. >> it's not a fact. u.s. conference of catholic bishops said today the exemption that biden mentioned is narrow and does not cover religious charities that extend services to all. last night's fight over abortion and governor romney potential picks for the supreme court produced up with notable embellishment by the vice president. >> do you think he is likely to appoint someone like scalia or someone else on the court far right that would outlaw planned parenthood, outlaw abortion? i suspect it would happen. >> biden's response rates high on deceit factor? even if president romney were to appoint pro-life justices to overturn roe v. wade, ruling would not outlaw abortion, it would return it to the individual states.
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>> bret: more on this with the panel. thank you. federal deficit topped $1 trillion for the fourth year in a row. the numbers $1.1 trillion in red for fiscal year 2012 which just ended. that is $207 billion less than the previous year. government spending fell 1.7%. tax revenue rose 6.4%. higher gasoline costs drove wholesale prices up. dow broke two-day losing streak. >> disseption in ranks of the "new york times" over the libya story later in the grapevine. up next, the still unreleased video of the benghazi attack. what does it show? [ male ann] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do.
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it's believed members of what is called support front, assisted in the seizure of government missile base, mills defense base. u.s. and others cited the presence of extremists among rebels as a reason not to supply them with weapons. defense secretary leon panetta says the cyber threat from iran has grown and the u.s. will take action if necessary. recent cyber attack against energy companies in saudi arabia and qatar is blamed op iran for retailiation for western sanctions. many lawmaker on capitol hill growing impatient with the obama administration refusal to release video of last month's deadly terror attack in libya. today one of the central players in the conflicting narrative of that event received vote of confidence. herron hacatherine herridge has. >> hillary clinton publicly defended her assertion that
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video started the attack. >> ambassador rice had the same information as every other official did. >> without mentioning al-qaeda by name, the suspected group behind the consulate assault, secretary clinton told the washington think tank what happens in north africa affects national security. >> last month violence revealed scrapes of extremism that threat -- strains of extremism that threaten the nation as well as the broader region and the united states. >> two sources tell fox news that security video taken by cameras like this one at the consulate also shows there was no demonstration when the attack unfolded. at approximately 9:3 p.m. surveillance video is characterized by limited, grainy and in places hoard decipher. it shows the men in profile and the efforts are ongoing to match faces to known jihadist. lawmakers are frustrated with the lack of access. >> i would like this committee to have the 50-minute tape before the press has it. quite frankly we should have had it before today to see it.
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>> two military sources tell fox news the attack on the consulate may have been preetchtive, effort to push out american influence and specifically growing c.i.a. presence at the annex. al-qaeda franchise in north africa is capitalizing on the proliferation of weapons. including shoulder-launched missiles after the fall of the libyan dictator. >> the figures we were provided were fluid but the rough approximation between 10 and 20,000. >> c.i.a. presence in benghazi is now an open secret. wednesday's hearing, state department witness showed the annex in the opening statement prompting objections from a leading report. >> i believe it's classified and information going to source and meth and should not be disseminated in public manner. >> fox newses ups that uav access remove to consulate after the attack and there is drone video of the evacuation of the annex. hit in second weigh of the attack. >> bret: we'll keep finding to get it or find out more about it. thank you. up next, what the mountain
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west means to the presidential election. we promise you we dip in, as we head to break, let's listen in to governor romney and congressman ryan after his big night. this is a rally in lancaster town square in lancaster, ohio. you can watch the full event by the way, streaming live on >> attack. when he was running for president four years ago, barack obama gave a huge speech and big great speech he said if you don't have fresh ideas, then use stale tactics to scare voters. if you don't have a record to run on, that you paint your opponent as somebody people should run from. you make a big election about small things. ladies and gentlemen, that is what barack obama said of his opponent four years ago. when he ran for president. and that is exactly what
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>> bret: looking for past few weeks at swing counties. tonight a couple of the states that will factor in heavily to the presidential race. correspondent molly line is out west in colorado and nevada. >> flavor of the las vegas strip, that is once red hot real estate market, tough right now. >> in some areas home values came down about 76%. >> real estate agent brandy white-oaks says the housing market has been decimateed and in this election she is hoping to hear something from the candidates to offer hope. >> because of mitt romney and knowing how to manage money,
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and obama being for the people, it's hard to make a decision on what side to swing because there are so many different elements on both sides that are valuable. >> she says lots of nevada homeowners barely holding on. bank foreclosed on this home. >> 60% of las vegas homes are still under water. with that said, you have 100,000 homeowners that are more than 30 days late, just looking at the two dynamics alone is devastating. >> ness has six electoral votes and the highest unemployment rate in nation at 12.1%. the economy is just one part of the picture here. in a state once dominated by republicans, its population growth and shifting demographics that turned nevada in a swing state. >> the demographics help president obama. in doubt about it. he runs very -- ranks high with latino voters. fairly big african-american concentration here. growing asian-american concentration here. democrats are much better in the outreach there. >> hispanics are acoted voting
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bloc making up 27% of the population. they could be a deciding factor in colorado as well. former mayor of denver now heads the hispanic chamber of commerce. >> right now, 20% is high percentage that the population could decide the election in colorado. >> kbno radio, colorado's oldest spanish language station, general manager says romney's tough stand on immigration in the primary may lead to loss of gapes made by previous republican leaders. >> there is a danger to take that stance on that side, will be counterproductive for a number of years from this point forward. >> still, the state is a solid tossup. >> i'm voting for mitt romney. because i think he is probably the best candidate to solve our fiscal problems, which i think are the biggest problems the country faces today. >> colorado is the biggest prize in the mountain west. with nine electoral votes. in 2008, obama victory marked only the second time in more
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than 40 years that the state went for the democrats. >> in denver, molly line, fox news. >> bret: monday we'll take "special report" on the road to rockingham county, new hampshire. new hampshire, by the way, one of the swing states. right now the real clear politic average of polls there has president obama up, less than one point. be there monday. debate between congressional democrats scrambling to represent the same redrawn congressional district got physical thursday in california. 57-year-old brad sherman grabbed or hugged depending on your point of view 71-year-old howard berman during an argument. sherman, the grabber, is expressing his regrets and says he should not have touched berman. the nobel peace prize come up with another head catcher and when it comes to reporting the libya scandal it's all about location. grapevine is next.
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treatment. one on affirmative action at universities. another about lance armstrong's doping allegation. two on the presidential election. a story about taped phone calls at j.p. morgan chase. and item on a woman who died of meningitis. sullivan concluded i can't think of many journalistic suggestjournalistsubjects more t now or more desevening of aggressive reporting. some europeans are proud that the nobel peace prize has been awarded to the european union. the move has others howling. british conservative lawmaker daniel hannah tweeted first al gore, then obama, now this. parity is redundant." dutch populist lawmaker's scoff nobel prize for the e.u. at a time when brussels and all of europe is collapsing in misery. what next? some europeans wonder whether all the residents could claim
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a share of the glory and a million dollar prize. finally, florida republican governor rick scott was hoping to lead voters to update about meningitis, serious issue, by giving out a phone number for an information line. he flubbed the last digit. and callers were directed to a woman's voice purring on a phone sex hotline. scott was informed a half hour later and the correct number was then provided. his spokeswoman notes the actual number had been publicly available online. and elsewhere for several day days. debates are often as much about style as substance. last night, at least if you listen to much of the post debate analysis, vice president biden mannerisms, histrionics, perhaps overshadowed anything either man said. chief washington correspondent james rosen looks at what happened and the reaction. >> that's a bunch of m malarkey.
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>> they'd be better off if we didn't interrupt each other. >> this is a bunch of stuff. >> what stuff? >> it's irish. >> there was a few shot of irish and healthy sample of vintage biden. to virtually every thrust made by the republican nominee paul ryan the hyper animated vice president responded by grinning and smiling, many called it smirking. by rolling his eyes to the heavens. >> i think that undid the advantage in rhetoric that he had in carrying the debate. it was so disrespectful. >> biden made a lot of strong points tonight. i don't know if we're -- did women find him likable or not? >> my sense about it was it was so compelling that people probably couldn't take their eyes off of it. unattracttive and rude. >> i don't think he should be laughing in a discussion about thurmo nuclear war with iran. however amuse you are it's tone as well as cop tent.
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>> slashes of the lawyerly wileyness that marked the chairman as senate of the judiciary committee, he resorted to sarcasm. >> they talk about a great recession as if it fell out of a sky. >> and some estimates say 80 interruptions. >> they came to congress and said up with out of six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. >> that's not what they said. >> i suspect independents were put off by biden incessant smirking tweeted piers morgan. dems would have loved the fire in the belly. >> bill maher tweeted hello, 911, there is an old man beating a child on my tv. the white house not surprisingly had no problem with biden being biden. >> when congressman ryan starts attacking the administration over the recovery act and the split screen shows the vice president smiling i can tell you, i can guess while he was smiling. he knew how hypocritical it was. >> to the role of earnest younger man, ryan offended no one with the demeanor per se.
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>> congressman ryan felt comfortable in entitlement reform area. most comfortable. >> some were struck by havum of ryan h20 intake and others felt he should have wrapped the number of the vice president more sternly. >> ryan reacted with excessive deference allowing himself to be cut off. >> for all the attention that vice president biden garnered with the demeanor in the donnybrook in danville, it was not the largest audience. his showdown against sarah palin four years ago drew close to 70 million viewers. >> bret: end with a smile. there you go. james, thank you. what did you think of the vice president's performance? let me know on twitter. follow me@bretbaier. who won the debate? does it matter? we ask the fox all-stars after the break. so you say men are superior drivers? yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. ok. [ voice of dennis ] silence.
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why were people talking about protests? when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking with guns, there were no protests. >> because -- >> why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> by who? >> the intelligence community told us that as they learned more facts about exactly what happened. they changed their assessment. >> they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security again. >> the vice president was speaking about himself and the president and white house. he was not referring to the administration. >> bret: white house press secretary jay carney today trying to us late the president and the vice president for that last statement. >> the vice presidential debate. we begin there, the statement released today on the issue about the intelligence community. basically thrown under the bus by the vice president and others. michael hayden former c.i.a. director and former nsa
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director and the former homeland security secretary michael chertoff released this statement. it's clear that any failure was not on the part of the intelligence community but on the part of white house decision-makers who should have listened to and acted on available intelligence. blaming those who put their lives on the line is not the kind of leadership this country needs. bold statements for the former intelligence folks like hayden to make in this environment. let's bring in panel. bill kristol editor of "weekly standard." kirsten powers for daily beast. syndicated columnnist charles krauthammer. bill, start with the libya and go from there in this debate. >> i think that was the great opening, great failure of joe biden in this debate. not only did he not improve what was a tenuous and tough contradictory story of the administration on what they knew about what happened in benghazi and when they knew it, he made it much worse. he is now accomplished other minor things in the debate, i
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suspect by the end of this weekend, main take-away from the debate could well be that benghazi was worse than we thought in terms of the incompetence of the administration and deception by the administration after the murder of the ambassador and the other americans. >> it seems like it's permeated the national consciousness. "new york times" saying it should have been on a-1. a lot of people talking about it. it seem like it's gotten the point of wait a second, what is the deal here? >> this is finally getting people's attention. last night, biden saying something that was obviously not true. anybody who is paying attention, he could i guess, depend what the meaning of "we" is because he is saying we didn't know. to me it seems he was saying we, the administration, didn't know. i'm wondering if he was even aware of the testimony. that is a question that needs to be asked. even if he says it wasn't the white house, i say who cares?
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i don't expect the president to know about the requests made for the state department. state department knew they needed more security. they didn't act on it. why is biden not outraged by that? >> bret: in the debate, the vice president says the intelligence told us that they had the wrong information, they corrected it later. weeks later. intelligence community is full. later in the same debate he says listen, the intelligence is rock-solid, that iran is not going to get the bomb anytime soon. even should calm down a bit here. including israel essentially. on one side, intelligence community got it flat wrong. on the other side, everybody needs to chill out. >> consistency is not his strong suit. clearly it's a contradiction. clearly it's opportunistic to say we'll rely on intelligence here and we won't here. you know releans on intelligence which pretend we have on iran, there was a huge
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whopper in there, there is no distance between us and vailedlies on the question when the iranians become a target. he said we in the israelis agree we will know when they build a weapon. when they build a weapon. this is precise through opposite of what netanyahu said in the general assembly speech. you can do in a laboratory, classroom and country largeer than the size of france. therefore, the only metric that you use, the red line has to be something you can see from the air and that is enrichment, because you have to have a huge facility. when you reach point of enrichment, that is the point of no run. that's the point of the cartoon bomb he was showing in richmond. biden said we agree we'll know when they agree weaponnization, which is a complete contradiction of what israelis said. i think it was less known, a little more subtle a point. it's the central argument
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between israeli leadership and obama. israelis are saying you got to draw a red line earlier. obama says no, we're not going to do it. that is why israel is in a dilemma. >> bret: paul ryan is not throwing the red line either and he didn't draw distinction in that debate on that point. >> he made a lot of opportunities. there were a lot of areas. that's why i'm against the fact checking that the media are doing. because in one debate, with romney -- >> bret: you know you're on "special report" and we just did one? >> i know, but sometimes i have to say unpopular. >> bret: i want to make sure you saw it. >> i know. sometimes you have to jeopardize your career in order to speak the truth. well, one time already. >> bret: keep going. >> when romney -- when obama had a hard time in the first debate, all the stuff, romney is a liar. it's the duty of the other candidate to make a point in
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the debate. you and i agree there were all the whoppers that biden said. in a speech you fact check. it's one-sided affair. in a debate you let it go. the moderator ought to allow it to go. one fault i have with the debate last night is that people are cut off if the middle of argument and point of reputation, at a point where you would have had a fact check. didn't happen. so it has to end up in our lap. that isn't the ideal place -- do i still have a job? >> bret: something tells me yeah. >> interesting bret smirking and gesturing, rolling my eyes. whatever the white house or the president or vice president knew personally about the request for security before september 11 is hard to know. the moment that happened and the moment thatm baes dore and others are killed that is the top priority for the white house.
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thorough as a security council, what do we know? at the meeting and state department and intelligence community. idea that the president and vice president are sitting back there and they don't -- who knows what the intelligence community took time to come through the different conclusion. that's ludicrous. the more i thought about it, susan rice comes out five days later and blamees the video and says spontaneous demonstration. idea that president and vice president did not know was false i find utterly incredible. >> they would have had meetings. this would have been the top issue in the news. >> isn't that the question, though? that is the question. isn't it possible that they were disengaged. >> for the first time in 33 years u.s. ambassador is murdered in libya, country that was important to president obama foreign policy where he had gone out of his way not to put boots on the ground. the dominant news story of the next two, three, four, five days, two or three weeks. the white house -- i don't know we find out what we find out when they choose to tell us. do intelligence come if
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recently? possibly. enforcement -- >> bret: if you listen to that hearing, testify she is in communication with people on the ground and they tell her throughout the attack, after the attack what is happening. they see this about the attackers. they know what the deal is right then and right there. >> if nay know, secretary of state knows. if the secretary of state knows, national security advisor to the president knows. he's not sitting back ignoring the top story of the day. he knows, the president and vice president know. >> susan rice said they were operating on the best intelligence that was available. they're saying they were given intelligence. >> bret: i want to play another sound bite. cutting in the lightning round. sound bite on taxes i thought was interesting back and forth. >> middle class pay less and people making $1 million or more contribute slightly more. we see no justification in the economic times for those and their patriotic americans, they're not asking for this continued tax cut.
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>> listen, if you pass every person and successful small business making over $250,000 at 100%, only run the government for 98 days. if everybody who paid incomes taxes last year, including the successful small businesses double the income taxes this year we would still have a $300 billion deficit. there aren't enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spen spending. >> that back and forth. is that effective? >> excellent response by ryan. i don't think he cares about the response. his job was to go out and energize, demoralize the liberal base. >> just about every liberal in the zone, so by that standard he did rather well. >> bret: down the row, who won? did it move the need? >> absolute draw. if you add style, substance and demeanor. >> draw. by the way, what biden said is not the president's policy and
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they've had to disavow it today. >> bret: $1 million? >> yeah. >> a draw in the short-term but the effect of it will be two things. libya becomes central now. big story for the next few days. biden elevated that by his misstatements. foreign policy becomes even more central to the campaign than it has been going forward. >> bret: the facial expressions and all of the things about it could be remembered by snl this weekend and may last longer for him long after this week. >> biden debate preparation was watching repeatedly the "shining." he did excellent imitation of jack nicholson. >> i'm studying biden. i'm going to use it when i sit next to juan williams. i don't know what to do when he says some things sometimes. i like the eye rolling. really. it was unbelievable, wasn't it? >> bret: okay. my producer has just wrapped me. officially. next up, the friday lightning round which will be very shor
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>> bret: every week viewers vote for your choice online. this, the friday lightning round. this week, the obama campaign donations, what some say are illegal donations, the campaign is denying that. 67% of you voted for that. we'll start there. and this, a very fast lightning, lightning round. bill, what about this story? >> i don't know. if bob dole could not make an issue in '9 # about clinton campaign practice i'm dubious you can get outrage going about the campaign finance issues. >> first, this study was commissioned by the person who did pro-sarah palin movie.
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operative. take it with a grain of salt. >> bret: charles it's true that there are not a lot of checks in the process on the online especially. >> doing it with a wink and nod and pretending they have safeguards. they want to be plausibly denial. they is know there is foreign money coming in, but if anything happens it's not until after the election day so why should they care? >> bret: winners and loserring. >> hugo chavez. >> bret: hugo chavez? >> he ron re-election. the only person who recall him in an election will be god. loser is, hay it to say this with the minority with martha raddatz, i see good money to see the fight not the referee. >> bret: interventionist moderator. >> you said itism put a name on it now. stuck with that. >> mitt romney is the winner. there was a good analysis. this was not a bump but change
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in trajectory. zero sum game. loser is obama. >> bret: many people move florida to lean romney. charles -- sorry, bill. >> we can's winner is baseball, which has had a fantastic post season. walkoff home run. ibanez. giants coming back from down 2-0 to win 3-2. fantastic baseball post season so far and hopefully culminate to the nats victory later tonight. again for the cardinals. loser big bird. a lot of secret big bird haters came out after the controversy began last week. >> bret: by the way jonah goldberg with the secret big bird hater. he came out -- do you remember that? on the panel. >> talking about big bird hi drojny. there is a psychological issue there. >> going to give him free therapy. >> okay. last round here. the world series winner predictions? >> pick nationals now.
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i pick them mostly with hope and some conviction. >> i don't know anything about sports. but i pick yankees because of new york. >> bret: nothing. no. >> yankees are going to win. it's terrible when the person who knows the least makes the pick, because they're always right. >> right. nationals and yankees in seven. a lot of heartache on the part of the nationals. it takes a long time to win a game. >> bret: tonight's game, give me a little rundown. 20 seconds here. >> we got gio on the mound. he won the most games in major leagues. crafty left-hander with a great fastball. huge hook. which means we should win. on the other hand, there are the baseball gods and when you say, that they get very angry. so i hope we're not broadcasting there. >> bret: how many games do you think you've been to? >> too many, that's for sure. >> bret: good luck.
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>> 30. >> greatest moment of the seas not to rub it in, jason weatheworth,30 pitches, home ru. >> working hard. >> bret: charles is here. >> over myself. >> that's how i live. >> bret: we had so much time to spare and now i'm late again. that's it for panel. stay tuned to see suggestions. u? the carful? how the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's,
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>> bret: finally tonight, some people like charles said it was tough to wrap up vice president biden in the de debate last night. since hollywood actors are big supporters, there is a new way to get the debate moving along next time. >> this is the president's gone out and done everything he has said he is going to do. this is the guy who has repaired our alliances for the rest of the world follows us again. this is a guy who brought the entire world, including russia and china to bring about the most devastating, most devastating.


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